Episode Details

What happens when the strategies we rely on to avoid pain, achievement, busyness and constant momentum stop working?

In this powerful conversation, Anna Donaghey is joined by April Day Garcia, author of The Room to Be Brave: Sometimes the way forward begins with going back, to explore how avoidance can hide in plain sight, especially for high-functioning people disguised as success.

April shares how chasing achievement and belonging led her further from herself, with alcohol acting as a quiet form of escape. When a period of forced stillness changed everything, she began the deeper work of healing, returning to the “rooms” where old beliefs began.

This episode offers a hopeful reframe: avoidance isn’t failure, it’s protection and real change starts not with becoming someone new, but with coming home to who you already are.

Here are the Highlights:

00:00 Intro: Rethinking avoidance with April Day Garcia

00:45 The art of avoidance and the illusion of achievement

02:27 April’s memoir mapping unravelling through literal rooms

05:11 Running from the pain, and chasing achievement

09:33 How avoidance can sometimes look like high performance

11:31 No room for vulnerability, linking emotions to old, unsafe moments

13:49 Alcohol’s role in numbing, postponing, and belonging

16:50 Avoidance creates new problems, emotional costs rise

20:35 The clear rupture: seeing darkness reflected in family

23:07 Having a breakdown broke the cycle, and led to giving up alcohol

38:09 The hardest rooms: confronting your own mistakes and shadow work

41:55 Old beliefs aren’t yours and reclaiming your true self

44:12 Redeveloping your rooms and rewriting your story

52:36 Choose your hard, start with one room

54:04 Healing isn’t failure, sometimes your truest self is waiting in the rooms you feared most.

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About the host Anna:

Anna is a certified Alcohol Mindset Coach, trained by Annie Grace of This Naked Mind. Drawing on her own journey out of alcohol addiction, she now helps others explore and control their drinking. With a career spanning 25 years as a Strategist in the Advertising industry, she combines her own lived experiences, with great insight into what makes us tick and what influences us to behave the way we do.

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