Episode Details

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Wyn Wiley, better known online as Pattie Gonia. Pattie is a "professional homosexual", environmentalist, and a drag queen. This conversation is fun and informative. We go deep learning all the fun nuances of the drag world, including what goes into a good tuck (who owns the title for the GOAT of tucking), the best drag songs, and the core components of a good drag performance. Pattie shares all the good work she's is doing with various outdoor organizations to improve representation in the outdoors. And of course we get a run down of what goes into being ultra-athletic in high heel boots.

We close the show with a triple crown of awkward places to run into an ex, a Q&A segment, and we cover if thru-hiking the PCT can give you a dumptruck ass.

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Interview with Wyn Wiley aka Pattie Gonia

• Pattie's Instagram
• The Outdoorist Oath Website
• The Outdoorist Oath Instagram
• Queer Outdoor and Environmental Job Board
• Austin Smith Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:04:56 - QOTD: What's the easiest meal of the day to eat healthfully?

00:10:39 - Reminder: Apply to be a 2023 Trek Blogger

00:11:34 - Introducing Wyn!

00:13:05 - Who is Wyn Wiley?

00:15:26 - How did you become Pattie Gonia?

00:17:40 - Were you always openly queer?

00:19:23 - Who put boundaries on you as a kid?

00:22:10 - How do you run in high heels?

00:24:20 - What were you thinking when you posted some of your first viral videos?

00:27:22 - Were some people okay with you being gay but not with your wearing heels?

00:29:26 - Can you explain Wyn and Pattie's different pronouns?

00:31:40 - What's a good protocol for knowing when to ask someone their preferred pronouns?

00:33:36 - Discussion about being Pattie versus Wyn

00:35:10 - What's the most difficult physical endeavor you've done in heels?

00:36:14 - Discussion about tucking

00:41:45 - Tell us about your hiking clothes.

00:42:48 - Do you have any tips for hiking in heels?

00:44:42 - Do you have any good eating shit stories from hiking in heels?

00:45:41 - Tell us about your recent event with the North Face.

00:48:29 - How can businesses be better allies?

00:50:34 - How can businesses move into the advocacy space?

00:52:31 - Do you want to give any particular people a shoutout?

00:54:09 - Have you had experiences where brands have approached you the wrong way?

00:55:48 - What were some of the biggest lessons you learned?

00:57:18 - What do you recommend for people looking to join queer outdoor communities?

00:59:07 - What does into a 10/10 drag performance?

01:03:42 - If you're stranded on drag island, what 3 songs do you bring