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“Getting in touch with reality is literally the essence of spiritual life.” – Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf remixes his interview from the Far Out Podcast, by Julie-Roxane and Alasdair. They discuss “Time Wealth,” and vagabonding as a philosophy for life (3:00); sifting through mediated information, versus getting local information on the road, and “reality” as the essence of spirituality (13:00); appreciation versus achievement, embracing the possibility of travel, and how you get smarter about travel the more you travel (24:00); seeking to have an “option-rich” life, the freedom that comes with not having preconceptions about where to go or what to do, and the joy of being surprised on the road (46:00); travel as a way to find out what you value and love in life (58:00); and the importance of slowing down, on the road and in life (1:03:00).

Julie-Roxane and Alasdair (Instagram: @thefaroutcouple) are travelers, entrepreneurs, guides, coaches, and co-hosts of the Far Out Podcast, where they chronicle their adventures in unconventional living. For more about Julie-Roxane and Alasdair, check out https://www.jrkrikorian.com and https://alasdairplambeck.com.

Notable Links:

• John Muir (naturalist)
• Stoicism (school of Hellenistic philosophy)
• Platonic idealism (philosophical doctrine of ideas)
• Rolf on the Tim Ferris Show (podcast episode)
• The Snow Leopard, by Peter Matthiessen (book)
• Henry David Thoreau (philosopher)
• Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman (poetry collection)
• Situationist International (French avant-garde movement)
• Dérive (experimental urban behavior)
• The best hostel ever, in Cairo (Deviate episode)
• Into the Wild, by Jon Krakauer (book)
• Falling Upward, by Richard Rohr (book)
• Antonio Machado (Spanish poet)
• Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert Pirsig (book)
• Paris Writing Workshops (Rolf’s summer writing classes)

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