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Danny and Derek speak with historian Andre Pagliarini about Lula's surprise reelection in Brazil. They talk about Lula's campaign comeback, the Bolsonaro family's political future, the incoming right-wing Congress, Brazil and Latin American politics, its relations with the United States and China, the Amazon rainforest, and the future of the Brazilian left.

Read Andre’s books Claiming the Nation: The Politics of Nationalism in Modern Brazil and Lula: A People's President and the Fight for Brazil's Future.

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