Episode Details

In 1982, Bill Atkinson made Apple's Lisa faster by deleting 2,000 lines of code, and the management form asked how many he wrote. Forty-four years later we're counting tokens instead. Same bug.

The good news: with agentic workflows, engineering is finally measurable in terms a board understands. Jim sits down with Kirby Montgomery and Dan Bender of Code & Co. to cover what's worth tracking (speed paired with stability, and outcomes over activity), why tech diligence now starts before the LOI, why the slick data-room dashboard is sometimes running on localhost, and why you can game the capture but not the context.

Measure to learn, not to punish.

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