Episode Details

What occurs when a social scientist who follows data-based research realizes that evidence cannot persuade everyone? This episode of The Academic Boardroom features an interview with Dr. Robert Livingston, a lecturer at Harvard University and author of The Conversation and Play the Game, Change the Game, Leave the Game. Livingston describes his journey from living in the predominantly Black community of Lexington, Kentucky, where the Black population comprised teachers, doctors, and neighbors, to working at the predominantly white college called Tulane, which provided him with "armor" and a lifetime study of race. He talks about the evolution of his perspective that was shaped by talking to thousands of people after George Floyd's case. He realized that data and conversations can rarely shift beliefs that are reinforced emotionally. For instance, he compares the belief that a dragon is hiding under one's bed to the belief in white supremacy. At the same time, he argues that he is not an Afro-pessimist and that systemic racism can be resolved. In addition, the interview addresses whether racism is learned or internal, the distinction of individual and systemic changes, and the five pillars of systemic racism, in which economic and legislative aspects are the biggest tools. It also discusses whether Black children thrive in areas where they can feel welcomed, as indicated by Nikole Hannah-Jones. Moreover, Livingston elaborates on the PRESS concept, which stands for problem awareness, root cause analysis, empathy, strategy, and sacrifice. He states that allyship is a verb and that to be an ally is not just an identity. He makes people aware of their powerful influence and the need to act. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.