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For the 100th episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz welcomes back his very first guest, Oscar-winning producer Graham King. King's films, including The Departed, The Aviator, Hugo, Argo, Blood Diamond, The Town, and Bohemian Rhapsody, have collected 61 Academy Award nominations, and he won Best Picture for The Departed. His latest, Michael, took seven years to reach the screen and has since surpassed Bohemian Rhapsody as the highest-grossing biopic of all time. King traces the film back to a chance meeting at a gas station in 1982 and explains why the real win is the audience showing up.

A Mother’s Blessing (03:33): King recalls showing Katherine Jackson and Michael's sister Rebbie the first hair and makeup test of Jaafar Jackson. Michael’s mother’s emotional response ranks among the top five moments of his career.

The Gas Station and the Softball Game (05:30): While pumping gas in Sherman Oaks, a young King hummed "Let's Get Serious" to Jermaine Jackson and was invited to the family's softball game. There, Michael introduced himself by tapping King on the shoulder, saying "You're it," and running off.

Learning from Scorsese (11:55): King prefers to let the film do the talking. He credits his years with Martin Scorsese for teaching him how to excite an audience, work with actors, run a set, and layer music into the story.

Previews, Critics, and the Real Win (20:21): Scorsese taught King the value of fresh eyes from outside the business. He admits he has ignored warnings and paid for it, and he argues that reviewers critiqued Michael Jackson rather than the movie. King tells filmmakers that the green light isn't the win; the audience showing up is.

Casting and Testing Michael (29:52): King shares how his daughter suggested Colman Domingo would make a great Joe Jackson. He tells the story about the lunch where he told Jaafar Jackson he was auditioning to play his uncle, the three years of preparation that followed, and the boundless energy of first-time actor Juliano Krue Valdi. Unable to preview Michael publicly, he leaned on Goetz's and editor John Ottman’s reactions.

The Departed at 20 and Dancing Audiences (49:47): King calls The Departed the hardest and most memorable film he has produced, and says his goal was to be the producer when Scorsese finally won his Oscar. Seeing audiences around the world dance through Michael's end credits, he says, is higher than any award.

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Graham King
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Nick Nunez, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)

For more information about Graham King:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_King
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0454752/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/popular/graham-king-producer/?hl=en

For more information about Kevin Goetz:
- Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
- Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
- How to Score in Hollywood: https://www.amazon.com/How-Score-Hollywood-Secrets-Business/dp/198218986X/
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