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This week we talk with Abby Johnson about why “equal protection” is splitting the pro-life movement and why she believes the law has to treat abortion like the crime we say it is. If you’ve ever wondered why some pro-lifers whisper about “equal protection,” this conversation brings it into the open. Victor and Abby talk through the debate that’s dividing the movement: should the law treat abortion as a true equal-protection crime against an unborn child, and if so, who is accountable when it happens?
 
 She explains why she now supports equal protection, even after years inside Planned Parenthood and years of hearing the familiar script that “women are the victims.” We get specific about what changed in the real world: the rise of abortion pills, the growth of self-managed abortions, and why the old strategy of targeting only doctors no longer matches the facts. If abortion is called murder, we ask, what does consistency require when the “provider” is increasingly the person taking the pills?
 
 We also talk strategy after Roe v. Wade, and Abby doesn’t hold back about the problems with a state-by-state approach. We explore federal protection arguments, the 14th Amendment, the optics fears that shape pro-life politics, and the cracks that show up when leaders won’t say publicly what they admit privately. Abby shares concerns about “band aid” laws like enforcing Comstock without addressing the deeper issue, plus why education and even a sunset period could be part of a serious path forward.
 
 If you care about abortion law, equal protection, the abortion pill era, and where the pro-life movement goes next, listen all the way through. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review with your take: what does justice require here?

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