Episode Details

As a painting business grows, someone has to step into the seats that don't exist yet: sales manager, production manager, project manager, estimator. More often than not, that someone is the owner. The question is how you step in, build the role out, and hand it off without the whole thing falling apart when you walk away.

In this episode of the Elite Business Advice Podcast, host Chris Moore, founder of Elite Business Advisors, sits down with Michal Cheney, owner of No Drip Painting, PCA board member, and one of the leaders of the Women in Paint initiative. Over the past year and a half, Michal has moved from seat to seat in her company's org chart, building the structure, systems, and processes for each role before handing it off and moving to the next gap.

With 3 to 4 sales reps and 3 project managers, Michal shares why she stepped back into the sales manager and production manager roles, what she learned by getting back into the day-to-day, and why she knows those seats ultimately need a "real" leader to take her painting company to the next level.

What you'll learn in this episode:

• How to spot where your painting business needs you next (hint: look for chaos and firefighting)
• The "brush update," the production communication process that has spread across the painting industry, and why even Michal's own team stopped doing it
• Why every new process needs to be communicated 8 to 12 times, then followed up with accountability
• Why you already have a process, you just haven't written it down, and how to use AI tools like Claude and ChatGPT to document it
• How recording sales calls and grading them against a sales process helped one sales rep raise his close rate by 10% in about a week and a half
• The basic numbers every painting business owner should know: P&L, balance sheet, close rate, and average job size
• Why your own mental, physical, and spiritual health shows up in how your business runs

This episode is for painting contractors and painting company owners across the U.S. and Canada who are adding their first estimator, project manager, or sales manager, or building a leadership team to scale a residential painting company.

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