Episode Details

What if some of the biggest challenges facing schools aren't problems we still need to solve — but problems research has already taught us something about?

Dr. Jeannie Haubert, sociologist and Executive Director of LEARN, joins us for a fascinating conversation about the surprising distance between what research tells us and what actually makes its way into practice. Jeannie points to a frequently cited estimate that research can take as long as 17 years to make its way into practice — a striking illustration of the distance that can exist between what we know and what actually informs decisions.

Together, we explore what gets lost in that gap — and what becomes possible when school leaders have access to credible, useful research at the moment they're making consequential decisions.

We talk about educator autonomy and voice, workplace conditions, initiative overload, and why well-being can't only be about helping people recover from work; sometimes we need to change the conditions of the work itself. We also explore the power of small structural shifts, the importance of starting with the problems educators and students are actually experiencing, and one deceptively simple question that can help cut through the noise:

Does this solve a problem we actually have?

Jeannie also takes us inside the work of LEARN, an organization built to make good research easier for school leaders to find, trust, understand, and put into action.

It's a conversation about curiosity, better questions, evidence-informed leadership — and closing the distance between what we know and what the humans inside our schools actually experience.

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