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Leslie Norwalk: Inside the Rooms Where America's Health Decisions Get Made | 13th and Park
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Leslie Norwalk, former Acting Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under President George W. Bush, joins Adam Goodman on 13th and Park for a candid inside look at how American healthcare is actually governed, regulated, and paid for. Drawing on her legal background, six years at CMS, and four years in the White House, Norwalk explains why the interplay between government regulators and private industry is not a conflict of interest but a necessity, and why refusing to listen to industry often produces bad law with unintended consequences for the very patients those laws are meant to protect.
Norwalk takes the conversation back to one of the most consequential policy achievements of the Bush era: the creation of Medicare Part D, the prescription drug benefit that now covers 57 million beneficiaries. She recalls the skepticism inside and outside government about whether insurers and pharmacy benefit managers would even participate, the frantic phone calls she made to convince them to join, and how the program ultimately came in at roughly half its projected cost, partly because of a structural decision to let PBMs negotiate freely without Medicare interference. She also breaks down the infamous donut hole, the coverage gap that was hated by beneficiaries but was the price of keeping the program's price tag under the $400 billion ceiling Congress had set.
The conversation moves to bigger questions about the future of the system: why Medicare was built to pay for sick care rather than prevention, why administration after administration fails to bend the cost curve, and where artificial intelligence could make a genuine difference, specifically in pattern recognition in radiology and pathology, AI-guided robotic surgery, and digesting the overwhelming volume of clinical trial data that no physician or coverage writer can realistically track on their own. Norwalk draws a parallel between the federal response to Hurricane Katrina and the COVID-19 pandemic, explaining how the creative workarounds CMS improvised during the flooding in New Orleans became a direct template for how the agency responded when hospitals went dark during the pandemic.
Norwalk closes with a clear-eyed take on the profit question in healthcare: margin is not the enemy, because without margin there is no access and no services. The real challenge is finding the sweet spot where reimbursement is high enough to sustain innovation and access but calibrated against the full value a treatment delivers, not just its sticker price. It is a conversation about power, perspective, and the enormous distance between how American healthcare is designed and how it is actually experienced by the people it is meant to serve.
Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:37 Leslie's Background and CMS Role
3:20 Government vs. Private Sector
8:30 Building Medicare Part D
11:43 Can Healthcare Actually Be Fixed?
13:36 Prevention vs. Treatment
15:47 AI in Healthcare and CMS
18:03 Hurricane Katrina and COVID Lessons
21:03 One Reform After the Midterms
23:45 Profit, Margin, and the Sweet Spot
26:14 The Human Cost of Public Service
27:00 Closing Thoughts
40:34 The Donut Hole Explained
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