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What does it take to stay reasonable when politics rewards contempt? Utah Governor Spencer Cox, author of Off Ramp: How to Be a Peacemaker in an Age of Contempt, argues that disagreement isn’t the real threat—treating opponents as enemies is. Then, Stanford philosopher Krista Lawlor, author of Being Reasonable: The Case for a Misunderstood Virtue, asks us to rethink reasonableness itself: not as cold logic, but as the ability to see what matters and respond accordingly. Together, they offer a practical and philosophical guide to navigating conflict without surrendering conviction—and suggest that the way out of polarization begins with curiosity, proportion, and choosing relationships over the thrill of being right.⁠⁠⁠⁠

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