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Douglas Rushkoff sits down with author, journalist, and Spy magazine co-founder Kurt Andersen to explore what happens when a country can no longer agree on what’s real. Using Andersen’s new novel The Breakup, which imagines a near-future America fractured along political lines as a jumping-off point. They discuss conspiracy culture, the collapse of shared reality, the psychology of political identity, Donald Trump and Spy magazine, AI and technological solutionism, the possibility of American disunion, and why local communities may offer an antidote to our increasingly fictionalized online world. They also reflect on the disappearing culture of magazines, the pressure to constantly produce for platforms, and what writers are actually for in an age of algorithms and instant feedback.

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