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A warning about election violence, post-vote chaos, and presidential power turns this Breaking Points conversation into a must-hear political analysis. In the full episode, Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti speak with University of Chicago professor Robert Pape about his book Our Own Worst Enemies and why he sees the 2024 election as a potential national security crisis. This condensed summary cuts the tension down to the key ideas: the greatest danger may come after Election Day, as counting, certification, and the transfer of power unfold; political polarization and normalized violence are eroding democratic legitimacy; and foreign conflict, including Iran, could intensify domestic instability. Pape also discusses ICE, the FBI, Supreme Court power, and how state force can deepen distrust when the rules feel contested. Get the core arguments, the stakes, and the most alarming warning in minutes instead of the full episode. Listen now to get the key ideas in minutes.