Episode Details

What would you give up to keep God close?

Preston has walked with Cody Carnes and Kari Jobe Carnes for more than 25 years, going back to the early youth ministry days. In this conversation, the three of them sit down to talk about Psalm 24, what it means to have clean hands and a pure heart, and what it has costs to protect that.

Cody and Kari describe purity of heart as something closer to a garden, tended every day, one small weed at a time, because once you've felt God in the room, you never want to feel Him leave it. They're also honest that it costs you. The higher He takes you, the more it's going to cost.

In this episode:

• Pure In Heart: the plaque on Kari's childhood wall, and the CD her dad felt from the kitchen
• God's Going To Ask You For Something: the decision Cody made the summer before his senior year
• When God Leaves The Room: what Cody calls one of the scariest things he's ever felt
• You're Not The Gardener: who actually tends the garden of your heart
• Walking The Other Direction: how Kari got comfortable with the price of saying no to the crowd
• The 10-to-1 Ratio: Cody's caution to Gen Z about where they get their revelation
• The Staring Day: what God is doing when He says nothing at all

Purity of heart is not a rulebook, and it isn't something you settle once. It's a daily yes to keeping Him close, even when that means being hidden, misunderstood, or walking the other way while everyone else heads toward the lights. Cody and Kari have been paying that price for decades, and they'd tell you the same thing Preston does: blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

So keep climbing the hill.