Episode Details

Ron Shroyer puts a number on the biggest decision an agency owner will ever make: one hour on Zoom and maybe a three hour dinner. That is how long most sellers spend vetting the firm that is buying the largest asset they will ever own, and it is the thread running through this entire conversation. Shroyer, Vice President of M&A Business Development at Alliant Insurance Services, returns to the show to tell Scott Howell and Bradley Flowers what has actually changed since the roll up boom. Cheap capital dried up first, and the firms that bought a hundred agencies in twenty four months never built the integration to make that scale pay, which is why organic growth across the publics has slid into the low single digits. From there Shroyer separates private equity backed from private equity partnered, explains why earnouts so often turn into earn ups, and shows how Alliant's employee ownership, 51 percent employee held with every third employee a shareholder, drives better than 90 percent retention across roughly 120 acquisitions in ten years. Bradley brings the buyer's side of it, laying out why falling insurance rates have him further from acquiring an agency than he has ever been. Then Scott asks the question nobody says out loud: why do so many owners take the big check and spend the next three years fighting the company they sold to?

SHOW OVERVIEW

00:00 Cold open and sponsors

01:03 Welcome, and the incomparable Bradley Flowers

01:55 The Hampton Inn waffle theory of customer behavior

05:00 Guest introduction: Ron Shroyer, Alliant Insurance Services

06:48 Consistency, and the empty hotel in downtown Mobile

08:30 From InsurTech to brokerage: how Ron landed at Alliant

10:14 Inside a six billion dollar flat organization

11:19 Culture is the most overused word in the industry

12:31 Knowing which agencies to listen to

14:33 Where M&A actually stands right now

16:08 Private equity backed versus private equity partnered

16:55 Buying a hundred firms in twenty four months and never integrating them

18:19 Osmosis growth, and why Bradley is not buying right now

21:01 Earnouts, earn ups, and the team you leave behind

21:46 Employee ownership and what Alliant is actually looking for

22:48 The USI and Aon shake out

23:26 The big check and the boss problem

26:07 Why acquisitions die on the vine

27:33 120 deals, 90 percent retention, integrated immediately

28:37 The Band-Aids you never ripped off before selling

29:51 AI as the excuse to cut staff, and the Nava Benefits bet

31:41 Should you sell because you are afraid of AI?

34:44 Keeping your people after the check clears

36:30 B shares, spot bonuses, and the recruiting test

37:42 How to tell whether an acquisition actually worked

39:01 Staying on as owner, and the next generation behind you

41:16 From 2.5 times revenue to multi year earnouts

43:57 Multiple bites of the apple

46:14 How to reach Ron Shroyer, and the close