Episode Details

Allie is joined by lead singer of “Skillet,” John Cooper to discuss spiritual abuse, the new apostalic reformation (NAR), and his new EP “After The Storm." For the past few years,  John has faced challenges with his former church, specifically regarding undisclosed doctrine and the spiritual abuse of his family and other congregants. In this episode, John discusses the problematic doctrine of present-day apostleship rooted in NAR theology and why it contributed to spiritual abuse in their church. Skillet's new EP “After The Storm” expresses the emotions and struggles behind suffering and how God is faithful even in the darkest moments. This is an informative episode for those who have experienced “church hurt,” a beautiful example of seeking peace even when it seems impossible,  and, ultimately, an encouragement to stand firmly planted in what’s true.

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Time Codes

00:00 Intro

00:45 John’s conversation with Alisa Childers

5:00 John’s story-the epidemic of the “Moses Model”

8:43 Similarities to 2020 BLM, the beginning of disagreements

25:55 The decision to go public

34:48 A third party was hired

38:24 “Sowing division”?

43:04 What is the New Apostalic Reformation?

48:17 Personal struggles and spiritual warfare

58:39 John’s guiding light

1:02:29 Skillet’s upcoming EP

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