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Millions know Mike Soutar as the forensic interviewer on The Apprentice, the Scottish voice across the boardroom table for the last 15 years. But long before the television, he built one of the most remarkable careers in British media – on a deceptively simple formula of hard work, optimism and self-belief.

In this business episode, we go back to the beginning. Mike started out at 17 writing horoscopes and romantic fiction at DC Thomson in Dundee, working on hot metal presses with a pencil he wasn't allowed to replace until it was a stub. By his early 20s he was editing Smash Hits. He went on to turn FHM into the biggest-selling monthly magazine in Britain, launched some of the country's best-known titles, and sat on the board of IPC when it was sold to Time Warner for more than £1 billion.

But the biggest turning point of his career came not in a boardroom, but in a hospital bed. In 2006, at the height of his corporate success, a chicken Caesar wrap left him seriously ill, his organs beginning to fail, unsure whether he'd survive. Lying there, he asked himself whether he had ever really tested himself — and the honest answer was no. So he walked away from the security of corporate life, raised £4 million in five weeks, remortgaged his home and launched ShortList.

His new book, Next Gen CEO, is about how the next generation of leaders can navigate an age of AI and uncertainty by becoming, of all things, more human.

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FOUR LESSONS FROM MIKE

1. Optimism without a plan is just naivety. When ShortList failed on day one, hope didn't save it, a plan did.
2. Investors back people first, ideas second. Ideas change the moment they meet the real world. What backers are really buying is you.
3. When you're fighting a difficult boss, keep it principled, not personal. Argue for the customer, not for yourself, and keep bringing the data. It's very hard for anyone to argue against a case built on what's genuinely right for the people you serve.
4. Chasing purpose. Mike had sold his company, had the money and the status, and still felt hollow. He thought what was missing was a job, instead it was a purpose..

CHAPTERS

06:38 – Why AI makes human leadership more valuable, not less

10:13 – Whether a self-made career is still possible in a flat economy

14:59 – How instability early on can forge the drive to control your own destiny

21:42 – Fake it till you make it: backing yourself into a job you're not ready for

24:27 – The FHM playbook: build in service of your customer, not your advertiser

28:43 – Why he left a hit at its peak – and what fear of failure does to founders

32:12 – How to stand your ground with a boss who holds all the cards

39:41 – The near-death moment that asked him: have you ever really tested yourself?

44:23 – Losing control, and what to do when you're forced out

46:27 – How he raised £4 million in five weeks – and why investors really said yes

50:16 – The launch-day disaster, and the case for protecting your team from the panic

53:22 – The £1 million opportunity he turned down – and the lesson in why

55:03 – Why success and status left him feeling hollow – and what actually fixed it

59:15 – Knowing when a job isn't worth your reputation, and walking away

01:03:27 – What 15 years on