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Cups up to Katie Phang! The former prosecutor, trial attorney, and MSNBC anchor joins investigative journalists ⁠⁠Mandy Matney and ⁠Liz Farrell⁠⁠ for a conversation about what happens when you refuse to stay quiet. 

Katie opens up about the day her show was canceled, why she walked away from her network contract to build independent media on her own terms — and the landmark lawsuit she filed against the DOJ for illegally redacting and withholding the Epstein files. 

Plus: her mantra "truthful, but not neutral," what trauma-informed journalism means to the survivor community, why access journalism is failing the White House press room, and the gatekeepers who love telling women what a "real journalist" is. 

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Episode References

“Grand jury finds DeSantis administration "misappropriated" $10 million in taxpayer money to Hope Florida” - CBS News, Aug 26, 2026 📰

“What Does it Mean to Be Trauma-Informed?” - Psychology Today, Nov 26, 2021 📰

“Judge shows signs of frustration with DOJ attorneys over handling of Epstein files” - NBC News, Aug 13, 2026 📰

Read the Full Text of the Epstein Files Transparency Act (Congress.gov) 📜

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