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What if failure isn’t the opposite of success, but part of the process of becoming who you want to be?

In this episode of Thought Atlas, I sit down with Dr. Thaddeus Jones Jr., a filmmaker, producer, educator, entrepreneur, and storyteller whose journey has taken him from growing up in Hampton, South Carolina, through years of different jobs, back to college and into filmmaking and creative entrepreneurship.

Thaddeus was born in Guam while his father was in the military and was raised predominantly in South Carolina after his parents separated. He discovered his love for filmmaking there, despite growing up in an environment where filmmaking was often viewed as an expensive hobby and he knew no one in the industry.

His journey wasn’t straightforward.

After initially attending college as a criminal justice major, Thaddeus dropped out following the death of his grandmother. He spent the next several years working a wide range of jobs, including running a recording studio, working as an animal care technician, painting motorcycles, waiting tables, selling men’s suits, and owning a bread truck.

Eventually, he returned to college to pursue a degree in media arts. One of the motivations behind that decision was his children. He didn’t want to tell them to chase their dreams without being willing to pursue his own.

We talk about the people who helped change the direction of his life, particularly a manager at the men’s clothing store where he worked. She saw potential in him, encouraged him to apply for a position with the school district, and pushed him beyond the comfort zone he had settled into.

That experience became part of a larger lesson for Thaddeus: sometimes other people believe in our potential before we are able to fully believe in ourselves.

From there, our conversation explores the relationship between creativity and business. Thaddeus argues that creative people need to understand how to make their skills sustainable, while business-minded people also need to understand creativity and humanity. He compares the two to dance partners that have to learn how to move together rather than against each other.

We also discuss the reality of pursuing a creative career. Thaddeus doesn’t romanticize the process. He talks about obstacles, sacrifice, failing forward, and the danger of waiting until everything is perfect before putting your work into the world.

His advice is straightforward: use whatever resources you currently have.

If you want to paint, paint. If all you have is a phone and you want to make films, use the phone. If you want to cook, experiment. The important thing is to take a step toward becoming the person you say you want to become.

We then explore artificial intelligence and creativity. Thaddeus describes AI as a powerful tool that can save time and help bridge gaps, but argues that it does not possess the lived human experiences that shape how people interpret the world. He believes AI will not replace humanity itself, and that the bigger question is who is using the technology and what they are using it for.

But perhaps the most powerful part of the conversation comes when Thaddeus tells the story of a period when his life fell apart. After being sent home from a training program, losing his possessions, discovering his marriage was ending, and finding himself without a job, money, or transportation, he remembers sitting in a child’s bedroom wondering how he had reached that point.

The next morning, he walked into town looking for work.

That decision began a slow rebuilding process—one job, one problem, and one step at a time.

Looking back, Thaddeus says those failures helped build the integrity and core values on which he built the rest of his life.

His final message is simple:

“You’re only going to go as far as you’re willing to fail.”

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