Episode Details

Ep. 241 | A deeply engaging conversation in which Alexander Love, adult development expert and coach, and author of the soon-to-be-published trilogy Evolutionary Gestures, introduces us to the post-tragic perspective, with all of its potential to nourish, ground, and open us to a world of possibilities. Alexander explains that post-tragic is not a developmental stage per se, but a dimension available to anyone willing to do the work. It’s part of a triad—pre-tragic innocence, tragic disillusionment, and post-tragic possibilities—encountered in every wisdom tradition, the hero’s journey, and every good story. Post-tragic is not about leaving the tragedy (trauma, pain, loss) behind, but about turning toward it and dropping into a dimension of being that can interface with it in a new way, from a place that isn’t divided or broken. It’s also about asking, what happens next, after the tragedy? How does the story proceed?

Shattering our certainty, a tragic event in our lives makes our world more diaphanous, Alexander continues, opening the way for us to lean further into the mystery. Here we encounter the vastness of possibility, the mystery being the first imagined wholeness, the seed of all potentiality, and we begin to see the sacred and the beauty in everything. Though the healing notion of facing our trauma and working through it is not new, Alexander’s pre-tragic, tragic, and post-tragic framework (deeply informed by his own experience) is compelling. With it, he has painted in the entire landscape around the core tragedy or trauma, giving us the full picture, the before and after, and connected us with a dimension of compassion and forgiveness that is liberating and full of promise. A wise, gentle, intense, warm, humble conversation. Recorded April 23, 2026.

“It’s not forgive and forget… It’s remember deeply. Become so intimate with what happened, feel every aspect of it, and let it be transformed by love.”

Topics & Time Stamps

• Introducing Alexander Love, adult development expert, coach, acupuncturist & founder of eos, an organization focused on deep transformation (00:52)
• What brought Alexander to the field of adult development? (02:03)
• The sacred gap: the space between knower and known (03:46)
• The alternative to uncertainty and chaos is leaning into the mystery (05:53)
• Turning away from our traumas deepens our sense of separation (06:59)
• Meeting with his father’s murderer: an infinite degree of forgiveness is available (09:32)
• What is forgiveness? (13:00)
• How do we get closer to our pain? (16:52)
• Pre-tragic, tragic & post-tragic: innocence, disillusionment, possibility (19:38)
• Protecting children so they can internalize a sense of fundamental goodness (24:20)
• With tragic disillusionment our meaning becomes shattered (26:01)
• Both pre-tragic innocence & tragic disillusionment are within us (33:06)
• Orienting towards tragedy from an unbroken dimension of being; transmuting our pain by developing relationship (34:15)
• The arc of transformation requires going beyond awareness of our patterns to embracing them (39:13)
• The first 3 phases of transformation: fusion, differentiation, relationship (42:20)
• The post-tragic architecture includes finding sacred beauty in the world (44:20)
• Primordial purity: even with all the suffering, there is perfection (50:17)
• The tragic fracturing of meaning makes the world more diaphanous (52:05)