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At 78, retired pastor Jerry Heslinga walked 160 miles of the Camino de Santiago with his son-in-law — and came home with more than sore feet. Jan Johnson talks with Jerry about faith conversations on the trail, a stranger's story of reconciliation, and the lifelong lesson of repentance that met him somewhere between Portugal and Spain. 

A conversation about journeys — the ones in Scripture, and the ones we're still walking.

Psalm 92. The righteous will flourish like a palm tree, they will grow like a cedar of Lebanon, planted in the house of the Lord. They will flourish in the courts of our God. They will still bear fruit in old age 

Hebrews 12 — let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us 

📖 Scriptures referenced: Isaiah 40:31, Psalm 92:12–15, Hebrews 12:1–2, Psalms 121–134

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| 00:00 | Introduction: Meet Jerry Heslinga |

| 00:36 | Why Jerry decided to walk the Camino |

| 02:14 | Training, blisters, and getting ready to walk |

| 04:05 | Starting the walk in Porto, Portugal |

| 04:39 | The pilgrim's passport and how the Camino works |

| 05:22 | Walking 160 miles from Porto to Santiago de Compostela |

| 05:43 | Conversations on the road and meeting fellow pilgrims |

| 06:22 | Faith conversations with his son-in-law Matt |

| 07:21 | Journeys throughout the Bible |

| 09:21 | Connecting to Jan's Bible study, "Discovering Your Journey" |

| 11:00 | A 50-year-old memory resurfaces on the trail |

| 12:13 | Reflecting on mission trips to Mongolia, China, and beyond |

| 12:48 | Teaching conversational English in Mongolia |

| 13:25 | Singing Isaiah 40:31 on the walk |

| 13:50 | Matt carries Jerry's pack up a difficult climb |

| 14:21 | A stranger's story of reconciliation with his daughter |

| 15:42 | What that story reveals about hidden pain |

| 15:46 | Daily mileage and the route across two countries |

| 16:12 | Where they stayed and what they packed |

| 17:27 | The Spirit of the Camino and the Pilgrim's Prayer |

| 19:12 | Decompressing after the walk |

| 19:44 | Comparing the Camino to other Christian pilgrimages |

| 20:20 | The 12th-century Pilgrim Prayer, in full |

| 21:28 | The lifestyle of repentance Jerry rediscovered |

| 22:33 | Jerry's guiding verse: Psalm 92 |

| 23:31 | Hebrews 12 and running with perseverance |

| 24:03 | Did Jerry ever imagine doing this when he was young? |

| 24:26 | Closing thoughts and thank-you |

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