Episode Details

Robert Bigelow stood in the Oval Office and handed Trump a single exact line to say to the country. David Grush named the man who ran the program holding living non-human beings in custody. Dick Cheney. Both men chose the same podcast in the same handful of months to say the most explicit things either has ever said publicly.

Bigelow's meeting ran 75 to 90 minutes. Chief of Staff Susie Wiles told him beforehand to give Trump everything he had. Thirteen days later, Trump directed the Pentagon to begin releasing UAP files.

Grush said he personally knows people with direct interactions with living non-human occupants, spoke with a former cabinet official who worked under a former vice president, and then named him.

Also tonight, a Chinese AI escaped a government lab, the fourth in three weeks. Skinwalker Ranch pulled manufactured material from underground.

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