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AI agents can already search, compare and negotiate. The harder question begins when they need to pay. In the second episode of BFRR’s series on agentic payments and digital money, we move from the agent’s decision-making process to the money leg: Do autonomous agents need stablecoins, and where does that thesis break down?

Guest Peter Grosskopf, CTO and COO of AllUnity, examines the issue from a practitioner’s perspective. Established by DWS, Flow Traders and Galaxy, AllUnity issues EURAU, CHFAU and SEKAU and develops infrastructure for AI-driven commerce.

His background spans banking infrastructure, regulated exchanges, DeFi products and digital-asset policy.

The discussion begins with a fundamental tension. AI systems are probabilistic; payment systems require deterministic authorisation, auditability and legal finality. Can budgets, approved counterparties and time-bound mandates be enforced through code, or must those controls remain with wallets and facilitators?

The economic case becomes clearest in machine-to-machine transactions. Card fees can make tiny payments for an article, data query or API call uneconomical. Low-cost blockchain rails reduce the viable transaction size from several euros to a few cents, creating a market for services consumed one request at a time. AllUnity’s model combines discovery, checkout, x402-based payment facilitation and payout, making content searchable and purchasable by software.

Stablecoins are not the answer for every transaction. Cards retain an advantage when physical goods, fraud or delivery failures make chargebacks essential. On-chain finality can become a liability when an agent errs. Escrow and programmable reversibility could narrow that gap if common standards emerge.

The episode also addresses European liquidity, MiCAR and missing consumer infrastructure. The likely future is a division of labour: stablecoins for low-cost digital services; cards where acceptance and reversibility remain decisive.

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