Episode Details

What can decades of investigating organized crime teach us about human nature, power, loyalty, fear, addiction, and justice?

Today’s guest is Gary Jenkins, a retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective, former attorney, author, filmmaker, and host of the Gangland Wire podcast.

Gary spent 25 years on the police department, followed by three years in law school and approximately ten years practicing law. After retiring, he began making documentaries and eventually launched his podcast after being inspired by Serial.

His work has focused heavily on the Kansas City Mafia, including its connections to casino skimming, the Kansas City mob war, and an election-theft case.

In this conversation, Gary takes us inside the world he spent years investigating and shares what surprised him most about the people behind organized crime.

We explore:

• How Gary went from police detective to filmmaker and podcaster
• Why the subcultures surrounding criminal groups fascinated him
• What surprised him about the family lives of Mafia members
• How organized crime actually operates behind the mythology
• Why Gary believes the Mafia’s greatest power may be the myth that it is all-powerful
• How media coverage can contribute to that mythology
• How much of Casino and Goodfellas reflects reality
• What professional criminals and police officers can surprisingly have in common
• The relationship between organized crime and addiction
• Gary’s changing perspective on punishment and recovery
• What decades of observing criminals taught him about character
• Why ambition should be balanced with how you treat people
• Gary’s reflections on prejudice and the assumptions people inherit from their environments
• His advice about recognizing our own unconscious judgments
• His experience turning podcast episodes into books
• His upcoming project, Dark Crimes with Gary Jenkins

Gary also shares a deeply personal perspective on addiction, arguing that people struggling with alcohol should seek help—even if they’re not certain they have a problem.

At its core, this conversation isn’t only about the Mafia.

It’s about what happens when you spend decades observing people under pressure, temptation, fear, ambition, and addiction—and what that teaches you about ourselves.

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🌐 How to Find Gary

Gary’s instructions to listeners are very specific:

Search for “Gary Jenkins in the Mafia.”