Episode Details

On this episode of CoinDesk's Public Keys from the New York Stock Exchange, host Jennifer Sanasie is joined by co-host Tim Grant, CEO of Deus X Capital, to start off the conversation with Strategy President and CEO Phong Le. He explains why he expects Strategy to outperform Bitcoin in the next bull cycle, how its STRC product and "digital credit" framework aim to make Strategy the "JP Morgan of digital finance." Bitwise Asset Management Head of Research Ryan Rasmussen breaks down Q2 earnings from Circle, Galaxy, and American Bitcoin, arguing the market is mis-pricing Circle ahead of a multi-trillion-dollar stablecoin era. Plus, Jennifer and Tim unpack Bitcoin ETF flows, the best week since April at $853 million in net inflows, and Tim lays out his thesis on sovereign AI, data privacy, and where decentralization fits into the next wave of compute.

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Chapters/Timecodes:

00:00 Welcome to Public Keys

00:21 Sleepy Markets and 'Groundhog Week' With Tim Grant

02:08 The Coldcard Hack and the Self-Custody Debate

03:15 Strategy's Phong Le Joins Public Keys

03:46 Why Strategy Expects to Beat Bitcoin

04:20 Inside 'STRC' and the Digital Credit Play

09:38 $4.75B in Cash and the Preferred Stock Lesson

11:47 Strategy: 'The Central Bank of Bitcoin'

12:19 Where Strategy's Software Business Fits

14:55 Circle, Galaxy and American Bitcoin Earnings

15:12 Why Bitwise Says Circle Is Mispriced

19:37 Circle's Arc Mainnet and the GENIUS Act

21:07 Galaxy's Pivot From Crypto to AI

24:05 American Bitcoin and the Miner Shakeout

27:41 Trump Ties and CLARITY Act Ethics Risk

30:14 ETF Flows: Bitcoin's Best Week Since April

32:52 Tim Grant on Sovereign AI and Data Privacy