Episode Details

MC Divine finally tells the full story behind one of the biggest UK Garage records ever made – Baby Cakes.

From growing up in East London and discovering garage music, to forming 3 Of A Kind, landing a £350,000 record deal, hitting UK No.1, beating Kanye West's Jesus Walks in the charts, touring the world, losing money, label battles, and revealing why the group eventually split, this is the most in-depth MC Divine interview to date.

We also discuss:

• The making of Baby Cakes

• The truth behind the £100 million claim

• The 3 Of A Kind story

• UK Garage history

• So Solid, radio and pirate stations

• Fame, money and record contracts

• Ringtone sales and royalties

• Why there was never a follow-up hit

• Lil Uzi Vert & Pink Pantheress sampling Baby Cakes

• AI, TikTok and the future of UK Garage

Chapters:

0:00 intro / title sequence

1:24 Local Geeza Out now! Shizzio X Mc Creed X Big Narstie

1:57 Welcome MC Divine / Platinum selling

4:15 born & bred east / outside

6:37 chicken scratching / blood brothers

8:41 family / shotting

10:18 school / fights / school change

15:21 parents / football

18:37 Garage music was everything

20:08 starting to MC / practice

22:29 MC in public / wasn’t brave enough

28:11 radio show

30:10 hit in Sweden / visit

36:06 So Solid / UK PA’s & lack of support

38:17 making BABY CAKES / forming 3 of a kind

44:09 the engineer really helped Baby Cakes

45:21 I knew Baby Cakes was a hit! / group name

46:32 Vinyl pushing the song / friends help

48:59 friends were robbing me from sales

50:37 Baby Cakes starts blowing up

52:36 money lost / PA for free?

54:03 it took a year to grow / lone solider

55:45 record label deal details

59:47 80k to turn car around! / Label bid war

1:01:50 350k deal / spending

1:04:58 tours / radio

1:06:03 pop star feeling

1:07:12 other big garage songs

1:08:12 Baby Cakes goes No 1

1:10:42 top of the pops

1:12:17 we beat Kanye West Jesus Walks to No 1

1:13:01 fame didn’t sink in / Bruce Forsyth

1:14:30 lazy artwork cover

1:17:17 music video thoughts

1:21:15 music video explodes

1:22:07 charted for years / money made

1:23:57 crazy spending

1:26:19 enjoy it / 1 hit wonder?

1:27:11 breaking Europe

1:30:01 ego / hate / negativity

1:31:57 Baby Cakes cheesy? / hate

1:34:32 ringtone sales! / Millions made

1:37:16 contract awareness

1:38:09 Baby Cakes made over £100 Million!

1:38:33 I still sign deals for Baby Cakes

1:39:17 Baby Cakes in Tv and movies

1:40:53 why no follow up record?

1:43:28 group split / what happened?

1:44:31 Baby cakes was a moment

1:44:47 new gen singing Babycakes / 02

1:46:02 Lil Uzi Vert & Pink Pantheress remix / Playboy Carti

1:47:43 Baby cakes will always be sampled / money

1:48:32 relationship with the group / we don’t talk

1:50:21 who PA’s the song if you don’t all talk?

1:51:29 success / I kept Baby cakes alive

1:52:19 Baby Cakes means so much to people

1:52:59 is Baby Cakes the biggest garage song ever?

1:54:01 its ‘WE’ not ‘I’

1:55:07 Baby Cakes new version?

1:57:51 new music / DnB

1:58:57 Garage music is big again

1:59:58 tiktok era / handling social media

2:02:16 AI Q’s

2:10:48 Why no Grime music? / Who started Grime?

2:13:48 quick fire Q’s

2:16:03 I spent 40k in a bar

2:16:52 quick fire Q cont..

2:17:07 chilling with 50 cent & Beyonce

2:17:49 quick fire Q’s cont..

2:19:14 final msg / Thank you