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Kathy Ruemmler told congressional investigators that she regretted associating with Jeffrey Epstein but maintained that she did not know he was continuing to abuse girls and young women after his 2008 conviction. The former Obama White House counsel acknowledged meeting with Epstein repeatedly, visiting his properties, exchanging numerous emails with him and accepting professional assistance and gifts, while portraying the relationship as largely intellectual and social. She said Epstein introduced her to prominent figures and discussed legal, political and financial matters with her, but denied representing him in criminal matters or helping conceal his misconduct. Ruemmler also argued that Epstein had misled her about the seriousness of his past crimes, an explanation that left investigators questioning why an experienced former federal prosecutor remained close to a registered sex offender.

The most damaging portion of Ruemmler’s testimony concerned Virginia Giuffre. Ruemmler said some of Giuffre’s allegations “lacked inherent credibility” and was questioned about a 2015 email in which she discussed whether counterclaims could be brought against Giuffre while Giuffre was suing Ghislaine Maxwell. Ruemmler claimed she did not remember the message and suggested she may merely have been responding conversationally to Epstein rather than actively developing a legal strategy against Giuffre. She said she had no reason to doubt that Giuffre had been abused, yet stopped short of affirming that Epstein and Maxwell had victimized her. Taken together, the testimony showed Ruemmler attempting to minimize her role and distance herself from Epstein while struggling to explain why she maintained such a close relationship with him and appeared willing to question one of his most prominent accusers.


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