Episode Details

You think you’ve known Katie Couric your whole life. You have no idea.

Yes, the press called her America's Sweetheart. They also called her a diva, an ice queen, and a bitch on wheels (Connor's favorite). The real story starts there: how does a journalist turned national icon become herself without losing the magic that got her there in the first place?  

Connor and Katie’s conversation went everywhere: fame and what it does to your head, loss and what actually lasts, getting older, the Sarah Palin interview she still feels "secondhand cringe" about, pickleball, breast milk, how she got completely fooled by AI, and her glorious give-no-fucks era. Katie fills out a report card for Connor at the end too. You'll want to stay for that.

CHAPTERS

Chapters

• 00:00:00 How fame f*cks with your head
• 00:02:51 What most interviewers mess up
• 00:06:27 The power of boredom and the hippocampus
• 00:08:05 Addicted to the grind
• 00:12:18 Going independent before the creator economy existed
• 00:15:42 The perky problem and clapbacks on Threads
• 00:18:09 Fighting to be taken seriously
• 00:27:17 Sarah Palin and the interview heard around the world
• 00:33:20 AI, income inequality, and the Jevons paradox
• 00:37:59 Your colon saved a lot of lives
• 00:41:40 Faith, God, and being a secular humanist
• 00:45:12 We're all terminal, how do you want to spend your time?
• 00:47:55 Nothing matters but your friends and your family
• 00:49:38 The Katie Couric report card