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The fastest way to break trust between sales and marketing is to let each team bring its own scoreboard.

Marketing can point to MQLs. Sales can point to missed revenue. Everyone can be technically right, and the business still loses. No wonder Denise Persson and Chris Degnan have little patience for functional victory laps. At Snowflake, the question was never, "Did marketing look good?" It was, "Are reps productive, is new business moving, and are we working from the same plan?"

In this episode, Drew sits down with Denise and Chris, co-authors of Make It Snow, whose sales-marketing partnership shaped much of Snowflake's climb from startup to billions in revenue. They get past the usual alignment talk and into the operating discipline behind it. For the pair, trust showed up in honest feedback, fast action, rep-level visibility, and a shared refusal to declare victory unless the go-to-market motion was actually working.

In this episode:

• Denise shares how she earned sales trust by listening to SDRs, AEs, and managers, then building marketing around what each territory needed

• Chris explains why sales leaders need marketing partners who roll up their sleeves, take feedback fast, and care more about the shared number than looking right

• Together, they show how a CMO-CRO partnership can hold through CEO changes, board pressure, hiring misses, and the politics of a winning company

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