Episode Details

How do you build a sustainable life around your art when the traditional definitions of success feel increasingly narrow? In this conversation, we sit down with musician, songwriter, and educator James Gardin. While his joyous, infectious music has found a global audience through major sync campaigns for brands like Apple, Tommy Hilfiger, and Saks Fifth Avenue, James’s core creative philosophy is anchored in something much more grounded: community, education, and the refusal to second-guess the spark. Together, we explore the nuts-and-bolts realities of the licensing world, the absolute humility required to teach songwriting to eight year olds, and how letting go of the industry's arbitrary rules allows us to finally blaze our own paths.

In This Episode:

• James Gardin
• Lizzo
• Marshmello
• J Dilla
• Proof
• Elzhi
• Slum Village
• Liza Garza
• Def Poetry Jam
• SZA
• Chance the Rapper
• Marmoset
• Musicbed
• iSpot.tv
• TuneFind
• Western States Center
• Eric Ward
• All of the Above Hip Hop Academy
• Trails End Camp
• Brooklyn Philharmonic
• Sinners
• Ryan Coogler

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).

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