Episode Details

The stock market is starting to move onchain, and Ondo is one of the teams building the rails. Ian De Bode joins David to explain how Ondo brought tokenized SpaceX stock to Ethereum minutes after trading began, why tokenized equities need real market liquidity instead of shallow DEX pools, and how Ondo Perps could unlock a new generation of RWA trading by using tokenized stocks as collateral.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Ondo’s RWA Moment
1:17 How SpaceX Stock Hit Ethereum in Minutes
2:57 What Actually Backs a Tokenized Stock?
4:49 The Onchain and Offchain Market Machine
10:29 Where the Demand Comes From
12:46 The Most Popular Tokenized Stocks
14:54 Why Perps Need Better Collateral
20:46 New Strategies for Onchain Asset Management
25:02 The Next 12 to 18 Months
26:14 How Big Can Perps Get?
28:46 Offshore Versus Onshore Perp Markets
32:05 Inside Ondo Perps
36:24 Why Not Build on Hyperliquid?
37:49 Launch Timeline and Early Demand
39:48 Will Wall Street Incumbents Compete or Help?
43:52 Ondo’s 2026 Roadmap
45:22 Remembering Nathan Allman

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RESOURCES

Ian De Bode
https://x.com/iandebode

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