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Congress’s MKUltra hearing reopened one of America’s darkest intelligence scandals—and raised the chilling question of whether modern mind control could exist in new forms. In this condensed recap of Breaking Points, hosts Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti break down Rep. Anna Paulina Luna’s hearing with authors Stephen Kinzer and Tom O’Neal, from CIA deception and destroyed files to the eerie links to Charles Manson, Jack Ruby, and Jolly West. You’ll also hear why the conversation shifted to neuroscience, artificial intelligence, cyber technology, and the possibility that today’s tools could make future abuse even worse. The episode also touches on the political response in Congress, the NIH, and the broader issue of government accountability, MKUltra history, and national security. Listen now to get the key ideas in minutes.