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We're taught that American democracy was built on liberty and self-governance. But what if it was actually built on two erasures at once — the enslavement of African peoples and the dispossession of Indigenous nations — happening together, by design?

In this episode of Rethinking Freedom: The Other Side of Freedom, part of our USA at 250 summer series, we sit down with historian Dr. Kyle T. Mays — an Afro-Indigenous (African American and Saginaw Chippewa) scholar at UCLA — to talk about his landmark book, An Afro-Indigenous History of the United States (Beacon Press).

We dig into the arguments that make this book required reading: why enslaved Africans should be understood as Indigenous people in their own right, how antiblackness and settler colonialism worked as a single system rather than two separate histories, the complicated and often painful history of the "Five Tribes" enslaving their own Afro-Indigenous kin, the moments of real solidarity between Black Power and Red Power movements, and what a genuinely honest 250th anniversary of American independence would actually look like.


This is a conversation about the freedom struggles that got written out of the official story — and why putting them back in changes how we understand the whole country.

📖 Get the book: An Afro-Indigenous History of the United States by Kyle T. Mays (Beacon Press)

🎙️ Part of our summer series: Rethinking Freedom — The Other Side of Freedom: The USA at 250

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