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California’s slow primary election count sparked fraud rumors—even from Trump—but election expert Stephen Richer argues it’s just part of the process. With mail-in ballots common nationwide, states like Utah and California take time verifying votes through signature checks and audits. Richer explains that not showing ID doesn’t equal fraud, and election gear is rigorously tested. While the Justice Department probes voter rolls, Richer calls Utah’s noncitizen vote findings a success. He says zero fraud is unrealistic and that real red flags—like precincts reporting more ballots than voters—would be obvious. Becoming an election worker, he says, reveals just how hard it is to rig the system. The key, he insists, is balancing speed with security—and some states are already testing earlier mail-in deadlines to help.

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