Episode Details

You've done the therapy. Read the books. Cried it out at a retreat. So why does that critical voice in your head keep winning?

This week, trauma therapist Jessica Fern (bestselling author of Polysecure) and David Cooley (creator of Restorative Relationship Conversations) join me to expose the Shame Triangle: the hidden pattern keeping you stuck in self criticism, shame, and escape. And here's the wild part. They've been married, divorced, and now coparent and write books together. They don't just teach this. They've survived it.

Once you hear this, you'll see the triangle everywhere. In yourself. In the people you love. In the "personality traits" that were never really you.

Press play and let's get MESy.

Connect with Jessica & David:

• The Azurite Way: theazuriteway.com
• Book: Transforming the Shame Triangle
• Jessica
• David
• Ask Jess and Dave Show, submit questions: askjessanddave@theazuriteway.com
• Catch them live at Esalen (Big Sur, CA) this October for the Transforming the Shame Triangle retreat

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