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E1070: Breaking down the most extensive LocalBusiness schema test ever run - what it proves, what it doesn't, and why the results matter for local SEO and how businesses show up in ChatGPT.

Jake Hundley joins Edward Sturm and David Quaid to walk through a controlled schema experiment designed to answer a simple question: does LocalBusiness schema move the needle? The study tested performance across Google Maps, Google mobile, major search engines, and multiple LLMs. The headline result: LocalBusiness schema did not improve rankings in Google Maps or traditional search - but it showed a measurable impact in ChatGPT.

Key findings from the study - LocalBusiness schema did not improve rankings in Google Maps or Google mobile results - LocalBusiness schema did not improve performance in traditional search engines tested (Google/Bing/Yahoo discussed) - No measurable impact in Gemini and Grok in this test setup - Measurable improvement in ChatGPT visibility and position in results, reported with 90%+ confidence - Reported lift included improved position in ChatGPT's recommended list and higher "share of voice" across the grid-based testing

What the study did differently than most "we analyzed millions of pages" posts - Used a test group and a control group to reduce the chance that algorithm updates explain the outcome - Ran a defined control period and test period, with steps to confirm crawling/indexing before measuring outcomes - Documented methodology in detail and pre-reviewed it with multiple industry experts - Focused specifically on LocalBusiness schema (non–rich snippet generating), not every schema type

What this does not prove - It does not claim schema is a ranking factor for Google Maps or organic search - It does not explain why ChatGPT appears to respond to schema in this case - It does not prove results will generalize to all schema types, industries, or rich-result markup - It does not suggest schema alone will make a business show up in ChatGPT if other signals are weak

Discussion topics in the episode - Why LocalBusiness schema has long been assumed to help, and what the data shows instead - The difference between correlation studies and controlled tests - The "positions in LLMs" debate and how the study defines and measures placement - Why relying on any single tactic (schema included) is risky without validation - Practical guidance: when schema is easy to add, when it's oversold, and how to treat it like a minor technical baseline rather than a strategy

⭐️ Does Schema Markup Affect Rank and AI Recommendations? - https://evergrowmarketing.com/how-schema-affects-google-and-ai/

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⭐️ David Quaid on 𝕏 - https://x.com/DavidGQuaid ⭐️ David Quaid on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidquaid/ ⭐️ David Quaid's agency - https://primaryposition.com/

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