Episode Details

Tim Elliott is the CEO of Navvis, a value-based enablement company that works with health systems, health plans, physician groups, and employers to drive performance under value-based agreements. Navvis takes a cross-continuum view of care — supporting patients before, during, and after the physician visit — and operates across the full spectrum of payment models, from full-risk MA and MSSP ACOs to bundled payments, TEAMS, and CJR. Tim's core conviction is that physicians are the linchpin of any sustainable change in value-based care, and that the "last mile" of transformation is change management — not technology. Navvis doesn't show up with a blank piece of paper or a mandatory platform; they bring a point of view on what world-class looks like and engage physicians in the refinement and rollout.

We discuss:

1. What AI consistently misses in value-based care — and why "human in the loop" needs to be on steroids in healthcare, not just a check on the model
2. How to recognize when a health system is rolling tools out faster than clinicians can absorb them — and why bottom-up physician demand is reshaping the AI rollout playbook
3. The real difference between a care model physicians co-designed and one that was handed to them — and how Navvis approaches refinement vs. a blank-paper exercise
4. What surprises health systems most when they move into real downside risk for the first time — the misalignment between contract incentives and operational behavior
5. Why "two standards of care" is the wrong frame for value-based vs. fee-for-service patients — and what the EMR needs to recognize at the point of encounter
6. The alignment problem at the executive and physician level that quietly kills downside-risk contracts before the year is out
7. The lesson Tim hopes the industry finally learns 20 years from now — why the 3-5% of patients driving 60-80% of cost are the unfinished work of this era
8. Who Navvis is built for, and why their model is to optimize existing technology rather than force a 12-to-18-month rip-and-replace

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