Episode Details

"What needs to die is a connection, an intertwining — between the actions that I do in the world, my accomplishments, my achievements, and my sense of worth or value. Those two things feel over-coupled." – Zach Kleyn

Join Niiamah (@niiamahashong) and Zach Kleyn as they go deep on the hidden cost of high achievement and what happens when you finally stop trying to earn love through results.

Zach is a coach, artist, and creative consultant who helps people freely express their unique voice. But in this raw, unscripted conversation, he's the one in the chair, navigating a season of uncertainty, deconstruction, and a profound realization: his ambition has been wired to a childhood need for love.

What unfolds is one of the most honest episodes of the show. No polish. No performance. Just two leaders in the mess together and a breakthrough that changes everything.

If you've ever felt empty after a win, or driven by something you can't quite name, this one's for you.

Welcome to the Outlier's Edge Podcast, hosted by Niiamah Ashong, Founder of Outlier's Edge and Sherpa of the World of Difference. On this podcast, you'll join other high-performing unconventional leaders and entrepreneurs (aka Outliers) as they talk about leveraging what makes them different to make a difference in the world.

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Timestamps:

00:00 — Being misunderstood as outlier

05:34 — Zach's vulnerable opening confession

10:14 — Zach's creative and coaching background

14:46 — Fear to power in seconds

16:24 — Seasons of inner creative life

21:16 — The gift of not knowing

24:59 — What needs to die now

30:23 — Decoupling love from achievement

40:26 — Owning the spiritual path

45:57 — Freeing your voice today

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Throwback Episode. Originally aired on: 2/15/2020