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Is the David Morens indictment science vs. politics, or even political retaliation? This government scientist has been indicted for allegedly conspiring to suppress investigation into the Covid lab leak. Meanwhile, passengers disembarked a ship in Spain after Hantavirus exposures, and we recorded this episode the next day (May 11) because this leaves us in uncomfortable wonder: Are we still vulnerable to the same failures that may have cost millions of lives? We're not here to do much rehash of what we covered in our landmark March 2023 Episode 41, "Covid and the Spillover Gang." There, we presented a thorough case for why the lab leak was a far better explanation than zoonotic spillover. Here, we're bringing you the breaking facts in the Morens indictment, what they reveal about the original investigation, and why they matter today. And here's what might surprise you most: Jim will show how this entire affair — the cover-ups, the politics, the tangled science — can be handled with Grace leading to reconciliation. Two crises. New evidence. A path forward. Start listening. NOTES EP41: Covid and the Spillover Gang - https://youtu.be/T7ZRFtnwBOo White House "five points" - https://substack.com/home/post/p-190758502 CHAPTERS 0:00 Opening 0:27 Theme 0:40 Hantavirus and David Morens 2:05 No Hantavirus drama 4:00 The Spillover Gang redux 8:24 Trump admin is doing its job 11:47 David Morens' indictment 16:28 Three tricks to undermine FOIA 19:07 Why it's not science vs politics 25:26 Why it's not political retaliation 28:06 How much info does democracy require? 29:19 What was the Spillover Gang's role? 33:00 Gracepoint: Truth before reconciliation 38:03 Things we can do, or stop doing, now CREDITS Bill Protzmann is your moderator. This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/ Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/ We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme. ► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501 or you can purchase his music on BandCamp: ► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/ ► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: serjo.de.lua.music@gmail.com Be grace-full to each other.