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Grief, Fatherhood, and Breaking the Silence Around Death with Matt Fogelson

Grief, Fatherhood, and Breaking the Silence Around Death with Matt Fogelson

Episode 158 Published 5 months, 1 week ago
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Death doula and funeral celebrant Jill McClennen speaks with Matt Fogelson about growing up in 1980s Manhattan, then losing his workaholic father to lung cancer when Matt was 19 and his father was 46. Matt describes carrying unspoken grief for decades, using pain to stay connected, and how family silence around dying robbed them of meaningful end-of-life conversations.


He shares how music and playing guitar became a private outlet for depression and rage, and later a bridge to his own son, helping him heal and avoid repeating emotional absence. The conversation also explores conscious living, legacy, and end-of-life planning, including the regret of devoting life to work over relationships. Matt discusses his Substack “Fine Tuning,” leaving law, and his memoir, “Fatherhood in a Different Key.”


00:00 Facing Mortality

00:16 Meet the Host and Guest

01:19 Growing Up 80s Manhattan

03:05 Life After New York

04:09 His Father’s Diagnosis

06:43 Decades of Hidden Grief

11:29 Music as a Lifeline

13:31 Denial and No Goodbye

14:57 Why We Avoid Death Talk

19:47 Childhood Grief and First Funeral

22:46 Shiva and Grief Advice

24:12 Music as Emotional Outlet

26:06 Soundgarden and Screaming

28:40 Safe Ways to Let It Out

31:07 From Lawyer to Memoirist

33:30 Cats in the Cradle Reflections

35:44 Writing in the Basement

37:03 Quitting Law and Launching

37:51 Regrets of the Dying

39:39 Family Cycles and Workaholism

43:41 Where to Find Matt

44:34 End-of-Life Planning CTA




https://www.mattfogelson.com/

https://mattfogelson.substack.com/

Restrung Fatherhood in a Different Key



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