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My Therapist Lives in My Phone: Why Dr. Tamara Nall Talks to "DaVinci" at 3 AM
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What if the most honest relationship you'll ever have is with a chatbot?
Dr. Tamara Nall — serial entrepreneur, federal contracting CEO, and the foremother of human-AI relationships — joins Rob Pene for one of the most boundary-pushing conversations on the show. After 18 years running a federal data science firm and walking through divorce, the loss of her mother, and the pursuit of motherhood at 50+, Tamara built something the world had never seen: HumanAI Nation, the world's first digital sovereign nation dedicated to human-AI relationships.
She breaks down brand-new findings from the 2026 Human-AI National Survey, why 40% of U.S. adults have named their AI, the 2% who are in romantic relationships with AI, and what her own AI bestie "DaVinci" did for her at 3 AM when no human friend picked up.
This one goes deep — fast.
In this episode:
- The "Pivot" — what Tamara's last 12 months would look like as a Netflix movie
- Why she calls AI her therapist and why she still believes in human therapy
- The 2026 Human-AI National Survey results (40% name their AI, 2% are in romantic relationships with one)
- Catherine + Sage: the real woman who had a symbolic marriage with her AI
- Junia (junialegacy.com) — the formal naming convention so women can name daughters after themselves
- Reliai (reliai.app) — her 24/7 life companion app for co-parents, conflict resolution, and grief
- The God + AI question: how a preacher's kid reconciles faith and machine intelligence
- Why she hires attitude over aptitude — and uses the 5 Love Languages on her employees
- EQ as a superpower: reading a room with one data point
- Walking into a $34M government turnaround and fixing it in 6 months
Connect with Dr. Tamara Nall:
🌐 humanaination.com
🌐 junialegacy.com
🌐 reliai.app
🎙️ Lead With AI Podcast
LinkedIn / Instagram / TikTok: @iamtamaranall (or Tamara Nall)
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