Episode Details

In this solo episode, Emma discusses the importance of building capacity, capability, and resources—what she analogizes as "building an army"—to effectively drive sustainability initiatives in businesses and organizations. She shares her personal journey into carbon literacy training, the challenges of scaling training across large organizations, and the development of her “Train the Trainer” model as a solution. Emma highlights key milestones, such as reaching the 100th trainer mark, and emphasizes the power of collaboration, sharing, and building resilient networks for greater impact.

Key Topics

• Why engaging people (not just increasing knowledge) is crucial for successful sustainability
• The “knowledge-action gap” and how training addresses it
• Emma’s journey into carbon literacy and the evolution of her training approach
• The challenges of reaching scale and maintaining quality at speed
• The importance and impact of the “Train the Trainer” model
• The upcoming milestone: 100th trainer to be trained
• Commitment to diversity and accessibility in training
• The value of creating a supportive, collaborative community of trainers

Milestones and Opportunities

• Upcoming Train the Trainer course in May; the 100th place is free (regular price £750-£850; discounts available)
• Over 1600 employees trained so far, across major organizations and sectors
• Emma has recently become a Carbon Literacy Consultant, achieving one of the highest standards in the field

01:00 — The Challenge of Organizational Buy-In

Emma discusses the gap between sustainability strategies and actual employee engagement. Notes that many companies have good intentions, but most employees are not truly engaged or understanding the strategy.

01:58 — Knowledge-Action Gap & People as the Key

Emma explains that the primary barrier is not knowledge, but getting people on board. Introduces her experience as a carbon literacy trainer and the "train the trainer" model as a solution for scale.

03:36 — Personal Journey into Carbon Literacy

Emma recounts becoming carbon literate in 2021 and realizing how it addressed the gap between what people know and feel confident acting on. Describes the initial steps to develop and deliver a course in 2022, including rapid growth in demand.

04:41 — Working with Prominent Businesses and Growing Demand

Emma mentions clients such as BT, Openreach, Kingfisher, and B&Q. Highlights the accelerating demand for training and the challenge of scaling up without compromising quality.

05:40 — The Need to Scale: Train the Trainer Approach

Emma explains the practical problem of expansion, needing multiple trainers to meet the needs of large clients such as NHS and BT. Emphasizes the move to a "train the trainer" model in 2023 to build training capacity and ensure quality.

06:38 — Why a Trainer Network Matters

Emma stresses that without building a pool of trainers, progress is confined to silos. Describes efforts to develop a comprehensive foundational training that equips people with skills, not just knowledge.

09:05 — Creating a Trainer Community & The Next Steps

Emma describes creating ongoing support such as a WhatsApp group for trainers and plans to formalize this into an academy to support individualized trainer pathways, maintain quality, and serve clients’ diverse needs.

10:02 — Milestone: Approaching 100th Trainer Trained

Emma announces an upcoming milestone: training the 100th "train the trainer" participant. Mentions a free place for the 100th trainee and acknowledges Farah Lodhy’s contribution to course development.

10:45 — Making Training Accessible & Diverse

Emma discusses the financial investment (typically £750-£850 per course), dis