Episode Details

In this episode, Paul sits down with Anne-Marie Zanzal for a deeply human conversation about what it really costs to tell the truth—especially when that truth arrives “later in life.” Anne-Marie shares her story of coming out at 52 after a 27-year marriage to a man, raising four children, and living what looked (from the outside) like the complete picture of success. What unfolds isn’t just a sexuality story—it’s a story of identity, conditioning, fear, and the moment a life stops fitting. From Catholic upbringing and internalized shame, to divinity school, hospice work, and the piercing question that finally cracked the door open—“What have you been waiting for your whole life?”—Anne-Marie brings listeners right into the emotional reality of change.

About the Guest

Anne-Marie Zanzal is a minister, coach, and the founder of Anne-Marie Zanzal Coaching, where she supports people—especially those coming out later in life—through the identity, fear, and transition work required to live fully and truthfully. Her work explores the psychological and cultural forces that keep people stuck, and gives clients a clear path through fear, learning, and growth.

https://annemariezanzal.com/

About the Host

Paul Ryan is an eight-figure CEO and the host of The Inner Entrepreneur Podcast,

https://pauljryan.net/

Work with Paul: Paul works with seasoned entrepreneurs to clarify what’s next and align their life and business around what matters most.

https://calendly.com/inner-entrepreneur-podcast/discovery-call-with-paul-ryan