Episode Details

What if illness was optional?

Naveen Jain has built seven companies. He was on top of the world running Moon Express, the first private company ever granted permission to leave Earth orbit, with a $2.6 billion NASA contract to mine the moon, when his father was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and given three months to live.

He got exactly that.

That moment broke something open. Naveen walked away from space and started asking a different question: if we can land on the moon, why are we still finding cancer by a dentist running a finger across someone's gum?

In this episode, Naveen sits down with Jessica to share the framework behind every company he builds: why this, why now, why me.

That framework led him from helium-3 mining to founding Viome, the company now running 1.5 million tests, sitting on 400 quadrillion biological data points, and holding FDA Breakthrough Device designation for detecting stage 1 oral and throat cancer with 95% specificity.

A stage 1 pancreatic cancer test launches in the next three months.

Jessica and Naveen go deep on:

• The three questions every founder must answer before starting anything
• Why DNA testing companies are asking the wrong question, and what RNA reveals instead
• The 100 trillion microbes producing 99.9% of the genes expressed in your body
• How a classified Los Alamos biological defense project became the foundation of Viome
• Why cancer immunotherapy works for 1/3 of patients, and what changes when you fix the gut
• The double-blind data: HbA1c down 0.42 in 90 days, IBS reversal in 64% of patients, anxiety down 50%
• Building a culture where loyalty shifts from the founder to the mission
• Why Naveen, at 66, still believes he owes a debt to his fellow humans
• The advice he'd give every leader: dream so big people think you're crazy

A masterclass in first-principles thinking, mission-driven leadership, and the radical idea that chronic disease isn't a feature of aging.

It's a signal we've been ignoring.

Truth Works is hosted by Jessica Neal, former Netflix CHRO, here to interrogate what actually works in leadership and life.

If this conversation shifted how you think about your health, your work, or what you're capable of building, share it with someone who needs to hear it.