Episode Details

In this powerful episode of Circling the Drain, Johnny B and Jay Harper sit down with legendary drummer Zoro (Lenny Kravitz, Bobby Brown, and more) to explore his extraordinary journey from growing up in Compton and rural Oregon poverty to becoming a world‑class musician, author, speaker, and “Minister of Groove.”  

Zoro shares how a humble janitor job unlocked his destiny, why he believes gifts come from God as seeds that must be cultivated, and how a life of service, not self, leads to real joy. He also opens up about his memoir “Maria’s Scarf,” his faith journey, encounters with major celebrities like Denzel Washington and Lenny Kravitz, and the spiritual principles that have guided his life through hardship, rejection, and eventual breakthrough.  

If you’ve ever felt behind, overlooked, or discouraged about your calling, this episode will challenge and inspire you to keep going.

Timed highlights  

[0:01:34] Zoro joins: life in Tennessee, weather, and growing up doing hard manual labor  

[0:02:27] Early jobs: groundskeeper, mowing, John Deere mishap, and not being afraid of work  

[0:05:54] First “real job” and discovering taxes as a kid  

[0:06:50] What got Zoro into drumming and his view that gifts are God‑given  

[0:07:29] Growing up in Compton, soul music, Motown, and the “ghetto drum set” in a Radio Flyer wagon  

[0:09:50] Playing on the sidewalk, earning quarters, and sensing a calling  

[0:10:05] Destiny, spiritual warfare, and why opposition often accompanies your purpose  

[0:11:40] Moving from Compton to rural Oregon and years of rejection from school band programs  

[0:13:20] The janitor job that changed everything: sneaking onto the drums after hours  

[0:15:00] Discovered while drumming on the job and suddenly needed in every school band  

[0:16:19] From 62 absences to showing up: how finding purpose transformed his attendance  

[0:17:48] Skipping school vs. loving learning and caring for his sick mother  

[0:18:11] Mark Twain’s quote: “I never let schooling interfere with my education”  

[0:18:57] Chickens, self‑education, and early entrepreneurship  

[0:20:00] The orange paper titled “My Future” and deciding to be a professional drummer  

[0:20:20] “You are basically honest” and the humor and honesty in his early diaries  

[0:21:19] Street life in Compton, stealing as a kid, and gradual character transformation  

[0:23:42] Gifts as seeds: why talent is an acorn, not a full‑grown oak  

[0:24:35] Living in a car, chapters titled “Living on a Prayer,” “I Will Survive,” and “Gonna Fly Now”  

[0:25:07] 12‑hour practice session, bleeding hands, and winning state band competition  

[0:27:00] Stewarding the gift vs. bragging about the gift; humility and the “Bill Gates’ son” analogy  

[0:29:00] Accepting small, “beneath you” doors and how that leads to big opportunities  

[0:30:00] Minister of Groove: Lenny Kravitz’s nickname and Zoro’s multi‑faceted calling  

[0:30:40] Speaking everywhere from San Quentin to the White House to villages in Ghana  

[0:32:50] Why Zoro treats a six‑person church and a mega‑platform the same  

[0:34:12] “My Father’s business” and seeing everything as people‑focused ministry  

[0:35:00] God as “alien,” the Holy Spirit as a willing invader of the human heart  

[0:37:21] “When I drum, I feel His pleasure” – Chariots of Fire, calling, and joy  

[0:37:40] Life of self vs. life of service: why selfish people self‑implode  

[0:40:00] Deathbed regrets, Schindler’s List, and what actually matters at the end  

[0:41:20] Salvation, grace, and how quickly a life’s direction can change  

[0:42:30] The book “The Practice of the Presence of God” and Brother Lawrence’s example  

[0:44:08] Inviting God into everyday moments, from the kitchen to t