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What if the chaos in your life isn’t the problem… but the turning point?

In this episode, Amy Elizabeth Fox, leadership expert and co-founder of Mobius, explains why today’s pressure, uncertainty, and stress are actually pushing us to grow in a deeper way. Through her work with top executives and her own life story, she shows what it really takes to lead and stay grounded when everything feels unstable.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• Why people fall back into old patterns under stress
• How your past shapes the way you lead and live today
• Why success in midlife can feel empty and how to change that
• What it really means to lead in chaos
• Why healing and self-awareness matter more than ever

This is not just about leadership. It’s about understanding yourself on a deeper level.

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Timestamps:

2:43 What is vertical development

4:10 Personal and professional growth merge

5:29 Midlife leadership struggles

8:24 Early life challenges and illness

10:37 Genetic disease and urgency

11:35 Spiritual and environmental work

13:21 Leadership and spirituality connection

15:35 Corporate transformation and culture

19:29 Freedom after adversity

21:08 Feminine leadership in business

22:55 Leading in chaos introduction

24:40 Spiritual path and teachers

27:03 Spirituality in action

28:42 Chaos and leadership today

31:51 Key principles for leading in chaos

35:00 Corporate reality and hope

37:38 Midlife transformation insights

40:25 What improves with age

41:59 Freedom in midlife

46:28 From receiving to giving

47:24 Final wisdom and life philosophy

ABOUT AMY ELIZABETH FOX:

Bio: Amy Elizabeth Fox is the co-founder and CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm. For over twenty years, she has advised senior leaders in eminent professional services firms and Fortune 500 companies on leadership and culture change. In 2026, she co-authored Leading in Chaos with Nicholas Janni and is widely regarded as an expert in vertical development and trauma-informed work in organizations.

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Links:

Leading in Chaos Book Website: https://leadinginchaosbook.com/

Mobius Website: http://www.mobiusleadership.com/

Amy’s Website: http://www.amyelizabethfox.com/

ABOUT LEADING IN CHAOS

Book Overview: Nicholas Janni and Amy Elizabeth Fox’s forthcoming book, Leading in Chaos, argues that in an era of polycrisis and sustained uncertainty, leadership requires next practice — a fundamentally different inner operating system grounded in deeper human intelligence. It reframes leadership as an embodied, developmental practice, calling leaders to act with coherence, presence, and integrity amid ongoing disruption. Because, in their words, “chaos is the new black.”

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