Episode Details

In this compelling episode of To Be and Do, Phil Amerson welcomes Tim Soerens, a pastor, author, and leader in the Parish Collective, to explore how interdependence is vital for both personal and communal flourishing. Together, they dive into the evolving role of the church, the legacy of John McKnight, and how finding hope and joy is essential for leaders, especially in times of rapid change.

Three Major Takeaways

1. Asset-Based Community Development and Neighborhood Focus
2. The conversation begins by honoring John McKnight and his foundational work in asset-based community development (01:26). Tim shares how McKnight’s belief in uncovering ordinary gifts within every neighborhood profoundly shapes his approach to ministry. Rather than focusing solely on decline or challenges, the episode emphasizes that each community possesses a “multiplicity of gifts” (03:04), ordinary heroes, and untold stories waiting to be discovered and celebrated.
3. Rethinking the Purpose and Model of Church
4. Both speakers reflect on the end of Christendom and the necessity to reimagine what church means today (10:24). Tim discusses his journey: moving from an attractional Sunday-centric model to an incarnational, place-based approach — highlighting the Parish Collective’s core question: “How do we be and become the church in our everyday lives through relationships, pursuing the hopes and dreams of God?” (09:26). They underscore the importance of clarity about the church’s purpose, noting how many institutions (like libraries) have clear functions, whereas the church’s purpose is often ambiguous (14:37).
5. Hope, Joy, and the Necessity of Slowing Down
6. The episode closes with practical wisdom for today’s pastoral leaders. Tim emphasizes that hope springs from asking “What is God up to here?”, a question that transforms perspectives and inspires even in ordinary moments (15:36). He connects this to the search for joy, suggesting it often emerges when leaders slow down, listen deeply, and share meaningfully with others (17:45). The importance of retreat, rest, and interdependence is echoed — reminders that hope and joy are as essential as oxygen in today’s fast-paced world.

Listen in for a timely, thoughtful exploration of what it means to be the church, recover joy, and discover hope in every place and relationship.