Episode Details

In this episode, Andy talks with Amy Leneker, leadership coach, joy strategist, and author of Cheers to Monday. Amy's journey began with a burnout so severe that her doctor put her on medical leave. It took 10 words on a medical form to change everything: "What are your hobbies? What do you do for fun?" She couldn't answer it. That moment sent her on a mission to help leaders recognize stress earlier and respond to it far more intentionally.

In this conversation, Amy shares the stress stories many leaders carry without ever questioning them, and why those stories get quietly rewarded in so many organizations. You'll hear how the body whispers warnings long before burnout hits, why most common stress-relief advice actually makes things worse, and how Amy's three-step Un-Stressing Method gives leaders a clear, practical framework to move forward. She also shares a powerful real-world example of a team carrying 73 stressors that simply didn't need to be there—and what happened when they finally saw that.

If you're looking for a practical, empowering guide to break the cycle of stress and overwhelm in leadership, this episode is for you!

• "The story that I inherited, either intentionally or unintentionally, was you just work hard because that's the only choice you have."
• "I think one of the biggest mistakes that I made was not recognizing how much choice I had."
• "I couldn't remember the last time that I had real fun."
• "Those unhealthy stress stories are rewarded."
• "The majority of ways that we try to manage stress at work actually increase our stress."
• "When I ignored the whispers, it got to the point where ignoring it was no longer an option.... If you ignore them long enough, then the body's going to scream."
• "Talking about stress is stressful, but we've got to be able to see it if we're going to be able to do anything about it."
• "Unclear expectations are resentments waiting to happen."
• "People pleasing—it's not a healthy dynamic. It's not something that serves you or the people around you."
• "Stress is contagious. There is no question about it."
• "Yes, stress is wildly contagious, but so is joy."

• 00:00 Introduction
• 01:39 Start of Interview
• 01:52 Early Messages About Work and Stress
• 04:36 The 10 Words That Changed Everything
• 06:39 Postponing Joy
• 07:30 Stress Stories Leaders Believe
• 08:19 How the Body Signals Burnout Before the Brain Does
• 11:44 What's Broken About Typical Stress Advice
• 12:58 Walking Through the Un-Stressing Method
• 15:03 Why Sequence Matters: See, Sort, Solve
• 17:32 Solving Stress vs. Fixing It
• 18:44 The Un-Stressing Method in Action: A Team Story
• 21:58 The Danger of Unstated Priorities
• 22:42 People Pleasing as a Warning Sign
• 23:38 Breaking the Cycle of Stress as a Parent
• 24:41 End of Interview
• 25:11 Andy Comments After the Interview
• 28:16 Outtakes

You can learn more about Amy and her work at AmyLeneker.com.

For more learning on this topic, check out:

• Episode 448 with Marie-Helene Pelletier. It's a book on how to develop resilience when demands are piling up. It's a great follow-up to today's discussion.
• Episode 398 with Dr. Neha Sangwan, which is a book about learning to recognize wake up calls to help us avoid burnout.

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