Episode Details

In this episode of the 4 Fit Fatherhood Podcast, Rod sits down with John Mulligan, also known as Johnny Utah, for a conversation that goes way beyond hunting.

This episode is about discipline, patience, work ethic, marriage, raising kids, masculinity, identity, and what it looks like to lead your family with strength and control.

John shares stories about his upbringing, the hard lessons he learned from his father, the meaning behind “work more hours,” how he tries to balance being strong and supportive with his own kids, and why every man needs something that keeps him grounded.

If you are a father trying to lead better, stay disciplined, and become harder to break in a distracted world, this one is for you.

Connect with John Mulligan:
Instagram: @johnny.utahunt

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Timestamps

00:00 Why this conversation is bigger than hunting
01:22 Meet John Mulligan aka Johnny Utah
02:34 Growing up with a tough father and learning work ethic
05:20 Law enforcement, entrepreneurship, and finding hunting later in life
07:41 Why living away from chaos helps John stay grounded
09:46 Rod and John on fathers who led through discipline
12:18 John’s father softening later in life
14:11 The meaning of “work more hours”
17:18 Raising respectful kids and balancing support with discipline
20:27 Why fathers need balance, not extremes
21:21 Becoming a parent without having it all figured out
23:17 Sports, hunting, and teaching kids responsibility
28:23 What hunting teaches about patience and preparation
31:04 Words, actions, and the arrow you can’t take back
32:02 iPads, distraction, and being truly present with your kids
34:29 Invisible work, making time, and fatherhood discipline
36:23 Marriage, family roles, and staying connected as husband and wife
38:25 The identity inside every role a man carries
44:21 What Primal Divide really means
49:22 Why John stepped away from TV hunting
51:43 Returning to law enforcement and training with Pepperball
56:30 Rod on virtual learning and real-world education
1:02:30 Hunting, conservation, and misunderstood truth
1:06:14 Why it is never too late to change direction
1:08:59 Rapid fire questions
1:13:27 The Johnny Utah nickname story
1:15:32 Where to follow John
1:18:04 Final takeaway: don’t drift, lead

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